Vest: ‘Not a recession’ but as close to it as he’ll forecast

By Joe Pangburn
Inside Tucson Business
Published on Friday, September 28, 2007



University of Arizona economist Marshall Vest looked around the room at the Arizona Inn before delivering an economic update last week. "Does anyone know a good joke? We need to lighten things up a bit."

No one offered, so Vest continued.


Source: UA Eller College of Managment

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"The economy is losing momentum," he said. "Business confidence is plunging, housing is still in a recession – and could be for a while still – and the labor market is deteriorating."

That summarizes the update report Vest delivered to about 120 people attending the Compass Bank-sponsored luncehon Sept. 26.

As part of his message, Vest released the latest Business Leaders Confidence Index, showing it fell 8 points. The index, released at the start of each quarter, measures business leaders’ expectations for the next three months.

Statewide, the confidence index is 42.5, down from 50.5 going into the third quarter. The index for Tucson is at 42.1, down from 50.0.

"We have red flags here," Vest said. "In this scale, 50 is a neutral dividing line, if the index is above 50 things are getting better, if it is below 50 things are getting worse. At 42.5, the economy is very near a recession."

Retail sales have gone from growing to declining, he said. Retail sales are down 3 percent with restaurant and bar down 5 percent.

Also, productivity is down and unit labor costs are up, so, many of the business leaders who participate in the index are expecting smaller profits.

Taken by components, business leaders, both in Tucson and statewide are not optimistic in any one of six categories: sales, profits, hiring, capital expenditures, state outlook and national outlook. They were least pessimistic about their own sales and most pessimistic about the national outlook.

"Anyone have a joke?" Vest asked a second time.

He moved to the housing industry where he believes a housing recession has been prolonged and no foreseeable end at this time.

"We had just an inventory problem with housing before," Vest said. "Now with the credit crunch we have an even bigger problem in housing that will take longer to turn around. The asset bubble has burst."

The biggest problem of a lingering housing recession, he said is that it was the housing boom that really fueled growth for several years in Arizona.

"Housing accounted for 25 percent of all new jobs in Arizona," Vest said. "Tucson is selling 13,000 homes annually and there is an eight month supply of housing on the market."

All those factors in housing are leading to price declines.

Vest said he sees Tucson’s low unemployment rate of 3.7 percent, moving upward. Statewide, he said he expects initial unemployment claims to reach 200,000 for the first time since 2005.

"Our non farm job growth is now down below 2 percent," he said. It is the lowest it has been since 2003. "If that number passes below zero, we will be in a recession."

While he didn’t come right out and say it, Vest told the audience "As an economist, rule No. 1 is never forecast a recession. But this is as close as we’ll get without saying it."

He did offer a silver lining.

"On the bright side, the population is still growing. People are still coming here and that helps," he said.


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Bdytko wrote on Oct 9, 2007 7:30 AM:

" As much as I see Mr., Vest’s point, I also see a great deal of growth coming our way. Pima’s Growth has 3 different phases to it they are the Past, Present and the Future. Growth for the past is our schools and roads. We should have built out our roads 20 years ago to keep up with today’s traffic. We are doing it now. Also many of our schools districts have to build out to ease up on how full our schools are. Vail school district must build a school a year for the next 10 years to catch up. Growth for the present is the retail section that we have right now keeping up with the growth from the past 5 years. There is no build it and they will come idea in this section. It is build it because we are here and need it for our daily use. There is at least 6 million square feet planned out to affect us in the next 10 years off the highway alone. · Tangerine and I-10 · Kino and I-10 · Wilmot and I-10 · Sonoita Hwy and I-10 The future growth is the hotels, resorts and the medical industry. We have 2 resorts planned and 7 hotels planned or started for the next 5 years. Those are the ones off the top of my head that have been approved. The medical side has 3 hospitals planned and a Bio Tech Center. Medical alone will bring in high paying jobs. Mr. Vest has my respect. I believe in his outlook. I also see others believe in us more than we believe in ourselves as residence living in Pima County. Don’t get me started on industrial. "

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